A little story

Here is a little story from a far away Country.

It is 2007, there is a presidential elections in this country, the conservatives are in charge, the current president Mr C is very unpopular (<40%), his government doesn't fare much better. The Opposition from the left is extremely confident, after all the approval ratings of the current government are very low and never, ever, has the same political party held the reigns of power for more than two terms. After two terms the people get so sick of the current party in power that they vote them out, every time.

The contender from the right is Mr S, the current interior minister, he is part of the government despite being a personal enemy of the current president Mr C. Being part of an unpopular government, he has a lot running against him, however due to a certain detachment that he has maintained from his own administration he is seen as an outsider of a sort: A maverick. Many left wing pundits have managed to portray him as an arrogant ruthless and quick to anger man.

From the left, Mrs R. was selected through a primary of a sort, riding a vast grass-root movement avid for change. To say that Mrs R. portrays herself as post partisan would be an exaggeration, but she has displayed a certain distance from ideological orthodoxy and it inspired many people.

The election is a rather complicated process, there were many candidates, but suffice is to say that at the last stage of the election only the two main candidates remained: Mr S and Mrs R. And, incomprehensibly to some, Mr. S won. How could that happen? Well obviously one strategy was better than the other. Here is a brief description;

1) Mrs R ran and inspirational campaign, she was after all an historic candidate, potentially the first woman president of the country. She embodied the promise of change that many in the media as well as the entertainment industry loved. Alternatively, part of the campaign was to capitalize on the bad image of Mr. S in the Media. It should have worked and maybe it could have.

2) Mr S opted for a radically different approach, instead of trying to beat her in the fields of inspiration and media hype, he focused on bread and butter issues to a point quite never seen before. Also managed to confuse the hell out of his detractors by publicly endorsing certain policies of the left, notably about immigration, suddenly his bad public image didn't stick so much any more.



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Planes, trains, etc... (2.00 / 1)

You know everything is not an anecdote. You have to discriminate. You choose things that are funny or mildly amusing or interesting. You're a miracle! Your stories have NONE of that. They're not even amusing ACCIDENTALLY! "Honey, I'd like you to meet Del Griffith, he's got some amusing anecodotes for you. Oh and here's a gun so you can blow your brains out. You'll thank me for it." I could tolerate any insurance seminar. For days I could sit there and listen to them go on and on with a big smile on my face. They'd say, "How can you stand it?" I'd say, "'Cause I've been with Del Griffith. I can take ANYTHING." You know what they'd say? They'd say, "I know what you mean. The shower curtain ring guy. Woah." It's like going on a date with a Chatty Cathy doll. I expect you have a little string on your chest, you know, that I pull out and have to snap back. Except I wouldn't pull it out and snap it back - you would. Agh! Agh! Agh! Agh! And by the way, you know, when you're telling these little stories? Here's a good idea - have a POINT. It makes it SO much more interesting for the listener!


by reconad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:08:12 PM EST

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LOL, oh I'm hurt, your judgment is so important to me...

seriously dude


by TaiChiMaster on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:10:22 PM EST
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A true story (none / 0)


That's the title I should have used.
by TaiChiMaster on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:08:16 PM EST

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So whats the lesson of this story, what country is the story about.

sorry, Im just confused.


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by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:10:56 PM EST
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The country is France:
Sarkozy vs Segolene Royale

the lesson (one of them) is don't capitalize on the public image of your opponent, he can allways change it.


by TaiChiMaster on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:13:48 PM EST
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The country is France:
Sarkozy vs Segolene Royale

the lesson (one of them) is don't capitalize on the public image of your opponent, he can allways change it.


by TaiChiMaster on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:12:33 PM EST

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So are you saying McCain could change his public face?

Fat chance, my man Obama has already put him in his place:

How can you not love strength?

I CANT WAIT to see Hillary join in drum up in the GE.
Personally I think both Hill and Bill are firebreathers too, so I hope to hear them joining up in defeating the GOP in 2008


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by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:16:48 PM EST
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Re: A little story (2.00 / 1)

Okay.  But how does your story account for Obama's vast superiority over Royale as a candidate?  What about his ability to inspire with a speech that also addresses 'bread and butter issues?'  I assume you have noticed these things.  Haven't you?

Also, Sarkozy has always been a glamour boy.  McCain has appeal, I grudgingly admit, but glamour?

Oh, and then there is the war.  Royale wasn't offering to get us out of a war the other one helped start and is pledged to.

Analogies are as instructive with regard to ways in which they do not hold as they are to ways in which they do.  They reveal and depend on both similarity and difference.


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:23:14 PM EST

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All true,

One thing about what you said: On bread and butter issues, Obama is still very deficint. On that he hasn't done enough.


by TaiChiMaster on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:25:58 PM EST
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Re: A little story (2.00 / 1)

And McCain has done...?

(Note: here's your chance to score huge McCain points.)


by username on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:30:00 PM EST
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I don't know... you are missing the point.

If you focuse too much on the wrong of your opponents and lose focus of the people's need and issues. your are setting the stage for you being taken off guard.

It has happened.


by TaiChiMaster on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:39:26 PM EST
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I challenge that (2.00 / 1)

Obama's policy is way better defined than McCain's.

You just have to look at their websites to see that.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:30:16 PM EST
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Also Sarkozy was running as the pro-US/Bush candidate. So he had this disadvantage.
by TaiChiMaster on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:27:00 PM EST
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We often overstate the importance of America and US Presidents in foreign elections.  In the '90s, for instance, Bill Clinton publicly and energetically supported Peres and the Labor party in Israel, in the wake of Rabin's assassination.  Netanyahu won, despite Clinton's sensational popularity in Israel at the time.  Given France's smart choice to stay out of the Iraq misadventure, Bush was not a very big issue at all in that campaign.  The ethnocentric and americentric media hyped this connection.  French voters didn't care much.  Though they were pissed he took his first vacation in office here...


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:32:03 PM EST
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Also not a very good analogy because France has a strange multi-round election, where there is a free-for-all in the first round, and the top two candidates move forward.  This can result in a lot of strange situation, including the near election of a right wing reactionary like Le Pen.


by NeverNude on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:31:25 PM EST

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Well i wouldn't call it near, the right wing guy got 17% and Chirac 83
by TaiChiMaster on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:32:30 PM EST
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Yes, you're right. I mean Le Pen never should've have ended up in the final round.  But again, you are right.

But it would be like if Edwards, Obama, and Clinton split their votes and Kucinich ended up running against McCain.


by NeverNude on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:42:10 PM EST
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You were right about the complexity of the situation. I didn't say anything about Bayrou, the third guy to avoid making this somewhat boring story even more boring.


by TaiChiMaster on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:46:51 PM EST
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Re: A little story (none / 0)

You were right about the complexity of the situation. I didn't say anything about Bayrou, the third guy to avoid making this somewhat boring story even more boring.


by TaiChiMaster on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:46:15 PM EST


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